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Mom Faces Jail for Making Son Walk to School

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An Arkansas mother is being charged with a misdemeanor count of endangering the welfare of a minor after she made her son walk 4.6 miles to school in order to "teach him a lesson."

Valerie Borders, 34, told police her 10-year-old son had been suspended from the bus for a week and she was making him walk to school as punishment.

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kazutam

I'm sorry but IMO this is over-sepping the bounds of being a nanny-state.

So what else is a parent supposed to do when their child gets suspended from riding the bus, go out of their way to drive the child to school?

Where is the "punishment" portion of the suspension in that?

Or is the suspension from riding the bus meant to punish the parents in the first place?

Please mind the COH.

  • 14 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:10 AM EST
Mike-475880

Yep, they way over stepped. Walking to school will not hurt a kid.

  • 10 votes
#1.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:26 AM EST
WatchTheOtherHand

Whats funny is that in many rural small towns across America, there is no bus service in town. You HAVE to walk to school.

We need to start putting some of these lawmakers/administrators on trial for violating human rights.

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:46 PM EST
bonos_rama

Not nearly 5 miles...what's funnier is that most fat ass American adults take their car two blocks away to get beer, but it's okay to make a kid walk 5 miles in the dark and cold with no sidewalks.

Drink up, mom!

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:38 PM EST
Starseeker

meh, my grandfather walked to school in four feet of snow, up hill, and killed bears with his loose leaf notebook. /s

  • 8 votes
#1.4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:29 PM EST
bestquest

your grandpa was lucky, only bears. Here, we went uphill to the school for 5 miles, then another 5 miles uphill again to grandma's house for cookies and milk after school. Then to work for 2.5 hours before supper. Darn wolf was bothersome whenever we wore red.

The downhill race from grandma's to home was about 5 minutes down the steep slope, accross the street.

I do hope the ten year old had a jacket, hat and gloves. If so, the walk is OK if on low traffic areas.

  • 5 votes
#1.5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:01 PM EST
Navy Doc 8404/06/09

meh, my grandfather walked to school in four feet of snow, up hill, and killed bears with his loose leaf notebook. /s

Yeah well my grandfather's walk was up hill BOTH ways ;)

  • 6 votes
#1.6 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:49 PM EST
FreedomIsAChoice

Are we related? I heard these same things from my grandfather!

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:52 PM EST
bestquest

freedom,

whippersnapper!!

of course he told you truly.

Compared to today, with humungous yellow busses in convoy, with 3 children each, one driver and one safety administrator. We Waded uphill single file, making the path for the mailman, milkman, breadman and eggman. And we were not tardy, no hot chocolate and donuts were served, and maybe it was training for Korea, Canada and Bavaria. Places we went without passports but with better food than MRE's

  • 3 votes
#1.8 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:09 PM EST
Lois-Lane

meh, my grandfather walked to school in four feet of snow, up hill, and killed bears with his loose leaf notebook. /s

Yeah well my grandfather's walk was up hill BOTH ways ;)

Bet yours at least had shoes. My grandfather did all of the above while carrying his younger brother, both in their stocking feet with holes in the socks. LOL!

  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:42 AM EST
bestquest

absolutely historic truth from eastern Kentucky, even right after ww2. Holy socks are now highly sought after museum pieces. Carbon dated to within a few days.

  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:03 AM EST
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3rdtime

Go, Mom, go! If they give you crud about it, follow him in the car to be sure he is safe ,but make him walk!

  • 10 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:28 AM EST
Dog_Blue

Then they complain that gets are too fat because they don't get exercise!!

  • 10 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:48 AM EST
Dog_Blue

oops....kids... not gets. Sorry not enough sleep.

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:50 PM EST
Starseeker

funny, I knew exactly what you meant.

  • 3 votes
#3.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:26 PM EST
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David-1830107

Now Kids cannot walk to school. Govt is telling Parents what to feed their kids. Wow were becoming a NAZI/Communist Country. Whats next Govt going to start telling me what books I can read to my Kid, What Games they can play. And people wonder why our kids are a mess these days. The far Left Nannys seem to think we cannot raise our own kids.

  • 8 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:01 PM EST
bonos_rama

"Please don't take me home. Mother will beat me," the police report said.

How dare they interfere with a mother's right to beat her son? I guess most people would ignore a kid out walking nearly 5 miles in the dark* who also says his mother would beat him (*a walk like that would take a kid that old at least 2 hours, which means he likely left in the pitch dark in order to get to school on time). Nah, that's GREAT parenting. Can't take away his t.v. or video games. Better to let a ten year old get abducted on his long walk while you are nowhere around watching...

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:03 PM EST
Santino42

*a walk like that would take a kid that old at least 2 hours, which means he likely left in the pitch dark in order to get to school on time).

...and probably would've been pitch dark once he made it back home as well.

  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:11 PM EST
Confer

How do you dare to interfere?

    #5.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:11 PM EST
    bonos_rama

    How dare anyone NOT? A parent can be arrested for leaving a 10 year old kid alone in a house, where it is a HELL of a lot safer than on the road. If she lives that far from school, most likely she' sin a suburb with no sidewalks. Nice, having a kid walk in the dark nearly 5 miles with no sidewalks, not to mention how he's a HUGE target. Nobody would leave their purse or wallet in open sight in a parked car for fear of it getting stolen, but they'll let a young kid walk around with no supervision. Brilliant.

    People can't think of any better punishment for a kid? Maybe that's her problem.

    • 3 votes
    #5.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:17 PM EST
    kazutam

    Why did I KNOW that your bleeding heart would key in on that?

    Kids NEVER lie to attempt to stay out of trouble in your world do they?

    I guess the "abuse" that this child has suffered at the hands of this parent was SO horrendous that they had to remove the child from the home.

    Oh Wait!!! That didn't happen now did it?

    • 8 votes
    #5.4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:22 PM EST
    bonos_rama

    Oh, dear, the faux outrage! How dare someone care about a child! Waah!

    It cracks me up how you all pretend to care so much about the mother. Your hearts are bleeding for her as she lies on her sofa warm and safe, because of course no mother ever lied about beating her kid, right? LOL. Talk about bleeding heart liberals. :)

    • 1 vote
    #5.5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:40 PM EST
    rtg-

    I'm sorry, but I'm with the mother on this one. If her son was kicked off the bus, there was a reason, and they need to learn to suffer the consequences of their actions. We coddle our kids so much we're raising a generation of entitled kids who never take responsibility for their actions, then we're all confused when they grow up and can't make it in the real world. Would I have sent my kid out to walk to school in the cold alone? Nope, I'd be a basket case and would end up following the kid in the car. As for the kid saying not to take him home because his mom would beat him, I don't believe it or DSS would have removed him. Nope, I think the kid said that to get sympathy from the officer.

    • 1 vote
    #5.6 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:40 PM EST
    stueystu

    I can't count the number of times I've witnessed so-called professionals with their young children in two on the subway and street trying to correct abhorrent, unruly behavior. The children act like little monsters, yelling and screaming 'No!' in front of everyone and even going as far as to hit the parents. So rtg is correct, this generation of children is certainly being coddled far too much. I was a child of the 60s, when it was taught very early to a child to speak when spoken to, not to speak when adults were speaking, etc. Those things seem to all but disappeared, as has what was once called 'home training.'

    • 3 votes
    #5.7 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:03 PM EST
    kazutam

    because of course no mother ever lied about beating her kid, right?

    So do you honestly believe that the mother is guilty of beating the child?

    Or are you simply being argumentative?

    • 3 votes
    #5.8 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:09 PM EST
    stueystu

    kazutum - I wish for the times when neighborhood parents looked out for each other kids. If I did something I shouldn't have done (which thankfully wasn't often) you could bet my grandmother knew about it. Remember the saying "It takes a village to raise a child?" Back when I was growing up that still applied. I wonder in how many cities, towns and hamlets this still occurs. Just wondering.

    • 2 votes
    #5.9 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:13 PM EST
    kazutam

    I wish for the times when neighborhood parents looked out for each other kids.

    Every place I live the kids living around me KNOW that they can come to me if there are any issues.

    It isn't anything that I say per see. Simply the fact that I am open and friendly with them.

    I've also been seen to go out into the street and pick a child up and brush them off when they take a spill on their bike and make sure they are OK before sending them on their way.

    I agree it would be nice to go back to those days, but in this political environment in the country now a days when you say you'd like to go back to how things were you get slammed and the evilest of motives are assigned to you.

    • 1 vote
    #5.10 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:37 AM EST
    bestquest

    childhood safety to play in a park, ride bicycle around the block, walk to school is now impeded compared to 1950. Society has evolved to accept 'anything goes'. Sorry that I am not more compassionate.

    Politics? actually know your neighbors? Bribed judges whose rulings are now on a CD as a precedent? lotsa reasons.

      #5.11 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:09 AM EST
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      FreedomIsAChoice

      4.6 miles seems to far and too dangerous for a 10 y/o to walk alone. I get that mom wanted to teach him a lesson but there had to a way to do that without putting her son in danger. As to the boy's allegations of abuse? I don't know. Kids have been known to exaggerate, but the mother's willingness to jeopardize the boy's safety makes me wonder about her other parenting choices.

      • 1 vote
      #6 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:21 PM EST
      my-pockets-r-mt

      I get that mom wanted to teach him a lesson but there had to a way to do that without putting her son in danger.

      And what would that be and what was the danger?

      "There were a number of things that could have happened to the child," said Lyle Waterworth, a spokesman for the Jonesboro Police Department. "The child could have been injured, abducted."

      A kid could be injured or abducted whether they ride a school bus or not.

      • 4 votes
      #6.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:31 PM EST
      lastone

      from 5th grade on i'd ride my bike to school when the weather was good. it was about 2.5 miles it took 15-30 min.

      • 3 votes
      #6.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:04 PM EST
      FreedomIsAChoice

      And what would that be

      At that age for one of my boys it would have been a loss of all privileges, a written apology to the bus driver and whoever else was involved, a one page report on the importance of respect and why his behavior was wrong, and enough extra chores that he would be too tired to argue about any of it.

      A kid could be injured or abducted whether they ride a school bus or not.

      Yes, but walking 9.2 miles a day alone unnecessarily increases that risk. I know that walking used to be the norm; but we don't live in the same kind of world we grew up in. I'm not making mom the villain here, I simply disagree with what she did and think there were other ways to achieve her goal. I do think the allegations of abuse should be investigated.

      • 6 votes
      #6.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:18 PM EST
      kazutam

      I do think the allegations of abuse should be investigated.

      I take it you've never been on the receiving end of some of the consequences for those little untruths(lies) that kids tell to try and keep themselves out of trouble?

      I have and the lie involved physical abuse allegations.

      It cost me a good job(I had a face-to-face interview with the phone company that day) and ended up with the school administrators looking at me like I was completely insane when I broke out in howls of laughter when they aired the allegations. That was even with the school cop standing behind me with his hand on his gun.

      • 1 vote
      #6.4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:29 PM EST
      FreedomIsAChoice

      I take it you've never been on the receiving end of some of the consequences for those little untruths(lies) that kids tell to try and keep themselves out of trouble?

      No. Not that my kids didn't tell their share of lies to keep out of trouble, but not to the extent that you describe. I have however seen the consequences when kids are telling the truth and nobody listens. That can cost far more than jobs. That can cost a kid their life.

      • 2 votes
      #6.5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:40 PM EST
      bonos_rama

      Yeah, no parent EVER lied about not abusing their child.

      The general rule is, where there is smoke there is fire. Anyone who cares so little about their kid that she (or he) treats him worse than most people would their animal is, well, an animal.

      • 3 votes
      #6.6 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:42 PM EST
      kazutam

      Ahhhhhhhhh,

      So the arbitrator of all that is good and right in the world has now passed HIS judgement and has fallen to the level of calling a parent an animal WITHOUT even knowing the truth of the matter.

      Glad to hear it.

      Oh, just in case you are wondering, I don't delete comments for NOT agreeing with my viewpoint, unlike some I could name.

      • 3 votes
      #6.7 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:18 PM EST
      kazutam

      Not that my kids didn't tell their share of lies to keep out of trouble, but not to the extent that you describe.

      Count yourself amongst the extremely lucky ones.

      The lies my daughter told had everyone I came in contact with who was in any sort of official position looking at me like I was some sort of monster, BEFORE they even said a word to me.

      The lie my daughter told(actually it was a few of them rolled up into one) THAT time was that she was pregnant and afraid to tell me because if she did I would beat her so badly she would end up in intensive care if not dead.

      Like I said I was thought of as a monster before I could even think about defending myself. I was summoned to the school and when I arrived I was confronted by the principal, her teacher, her counselor, 2 of the biggest gym teachers at the school, and the school's assigned cop. I was greeted with extreme hostility until I was able to get them to tell me what was going on. That took 5 or 10 minutes of hearing about how this was a "life or death" situation and how serious things were. When they finally related the lies to me I was met with disbelief when I burst out laughing and fell into a chair. After I controlled myself I told them "OK, I'll call to get a doctors appointment as soon as we are done here and we'll find out for sure".

      My daughter ran away that evening when she was informed that I had a doctors appointment set up for in the morning.

      • 1 vote
      #6.8 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:28 PM EST
      FreedomIsAChoice

      I can see where your experience would cause you to side more with the parent. My experiences shade my viewpoint in the other direction.

      I worked in a youth crisis facility and I come from a family of law enforcement and medical personnel. We see the kids who have been beaten, burned, raped, and starved. Many of them, too many, tried to tell others what was happening in their lives but were ignored because of any number of things. Their parents were "good people" or the kid had a reputation for acting out, or the story was just too outlandish to possibly be true.

      My experiences make me say that every allegation of abuse must be investigated because we cannot risk a child's life.

      • 2 votes
      #6.9 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:37 PM EST
      kazutam

      My experiences make me say that every allegation of abuse must be investigated because we cannot risk a child's life.

      OK, so then they should have taken the mother away in cuffs and slapped the kid into foster care while they investigated the kids claims, huh?

      All because the kid was pissed he had to walk to school because HE did something that got him kicked off the bus.

      Does THAT make any sense?

      • 3 votes
      #6.10 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:49 PM EST
      FreedomIsAChoice

      OK, so then they should have taken the mother away in cuffs and slapped the kid into foster care while they investigated the kids claims, huh?

      Where did I say that? Please don't put words in my mouth.

      • 2 votes
      #6.11 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:05 PM EST
      kazutam

      Then just exactly HOW would this accusation be investigated?

      Leave the child in the home that he is saying he is being beaten in?

      Leave this woman running around loose?

      Please don't put words in my mouth.

      Plus if you notice there was that funny little mark at the end of what you quoted, denoting that it was a QUESTION, not a statement accussing you of saying that.

        #6.12 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:06 PM EST
        FreedomIsAChoice

        My mistake. I saw the question mark, but the tone of your response struck me as somewhat hostile. If that was not your intent, then I apologize.

        What about a home visit when they take the kid back? Personal observation of the officers; is does the boy have obvious bruises/injuries that seem unusual? I know that is subjective as the average 10 y/o boy always has a bruise or scrape; but an officer should be able to tell the difference in most cases. Why not talk to mom and find out more about what's going on. Talk to teachers at the school and to neighbors. What have they seen?

        Unless there is blatant evidence of abuse I am generally in favor of an investigation before a child is removed from the home. I did not, nor would I, suggest that the words of a 10 y/o be taken at face value. Neither do I think those words should be dismissed out of hand just because some kids lie.

        • 2 votes
        #6.13 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:46 PM EST
        kazutam

        I did not, nor would I, suggest that the words of a 10 y/o be taken at face value.

        Personally I found it to be quite suspicious that those words (from the child) were quoted in the article, yet NOTHING was said about what the police saw in the home.

        Because they DID return the child to the home, so there was a "home visit".

        I think that with that charge having been made by the child they would have looked for signs of abuse.

        Been there, done that. When my daughter took my car for a joy ride one night in the middle of the night when she was 13 she caught the belt(because it was a SAFETY issue for her AND innocent others), well she called the cops and they showed up and questioned what was going on. When I explained to them they told me they would gladly stand by and watch the punishment and if THEY felt it was going to far would stop me. To say that this shocked my daughter would be putting it mildly, as previously when she called them on me they came storming in believing the worst without anything more than her word and threatened me with both incarceration and physical violence IN FRONT of my daughter. I actually had one cop tell me(scream at me) in front of her that she was allowed to destroy ANYTHING she wished in the home and do anything she wanted to the house, except burn it down, and if he heard that I tried to physically stop her he would be more than glad to show up and shoot me.

        So she felt that they were her "weapon" to use against me to get her way, just as she had been taught in school.

        • 1 vote
        #6.14 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:48 AM EST
        Rani-2571164

        Kazutam: I sympathize with you 100%. These days, teachers, professors, coaches ( albeit in the best interests of the children) end up doing more damage than good. Nowadays you cannot even raise your voice for fear the child might report it to a school official. I grew up straight. My father was stern and would use his belt for the littlest of offenses. Yet I NEVER thought to call the police and report him. In our house we had a strict curfew of 5pm. One day m brother was out playing with his friends and came home late. His friends had advised him to tell my father that "this is America its a free country". Oh boy, my dad took his belt to my brother's tush after that one! We grew up respecting our elders and having perfect manners. These days, (btw im just 30 yrs old )the youth is as if their parents have forgotten to raise children. Too much PC if you ask me. I pray I can raise my daughter with the respect and values my parents instilled in me.

        • 1 vote
        #6.15 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:10 PM EST
        kazutam

        I pray I can raise my daughter with the respect and values my parents instilled in me.

        It's getting harder and harder every day.

        It honestly amuses me to watch my daughter with my grandkids, she is so much stricter with them than I ever was with her. When I mention that her selective memory kicks in and she makes comments almost in the same breath about how harsh I was, and then how I let her "get away" with things.

          #6.16 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:03 PM EST
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          Baron von Steuben

          Remember when walking to school used to be normal? The @!$%# happened?

          • 8 votes
          Reply#7 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:28 PM EST
          kazutam

          Yeah I also remember those days.

          Whole groups of kids(many even younger than this one) walking to schools and home from school each day.

          • 3 votes
          #7.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:36 PM EST
          skeptic-227981

          First off, they didn't walk 4.6 miles one way to school in those days, either. Second, more parents were home in the mornings to watch the kids as they made their ways to school and predators couldn't take the chances they do now to try and snatch a kid off the street.

          This isn't about the exercise, although taking a 4.6 mile walk when one isn't used to it isn't the smartest thing to do, this is about the kids' safety.

          And make no mistake: schools do this to kids all the time - no notice to parents to come and get the kids, either.

          The difference is, the school personnel who do this to kids don't end up facing jail time.

          • 3 votes
          #7.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:04 PM EST
          bonos_rama

          Kids that age are not allowed, under the law, to be home in their HOUSE alone - where it is safe. But people want to let them walk 5 miles in the dark - that's at least a 2 hour walk on short legs - possibly more. Oh, who cares if a kid gets hit by a car or abducted.

          Great country, eh? People care more for their animals than they do for kids.

            #7.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:44 PM EST
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            Widewillie

            A near 5 mile walk...in below freezing temps...twice a day...for a 10 year old?

            Does mom's conduct warrant child endangerment charges, IDK? But I believe the local police who responded are in a better position to make that determination than anyone here.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#8 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:32 PM EST
            Lynn3765

            4 miles each way in Connecticut winters from age 7 to 14. The only time I didn't have to walk was when school was closed due to weather which, in CT, wasn't all that often..we had to have near blizzard conditions. The ponly warning from mom and dad....stay on the sidewalk..the roads are icy and cars can't stop.

            In this day and age would I have followed to assure safety, probably, but the walk itself wouldn't worry me.

            • 3 votes
            #8.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:51 PM EST
            Widewillie

            4 miles each way in Connecticut winters from age 7 to 14.

            I'm glad you made it safely.

            But the fact that you showed it was doable...does not mean it was safe or in the best interests of the child.

            Not to mention it's a of waste 3-4 hours every day walking to and from school.

            Again, I simply believe the local police are in the best position to determine if the walk the child was forced to make in this specific case, represented a danger to him.

            • 1 vote
            #8.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:38 PM EST
            Lynn3765

            Agreed that was back in the 70's and 80's timeframe. As I indicated, I would definitely follow behind given today's societal problems.

            • 1 vote
            #8.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:20 AM EST
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            David-1830107

            I walked to School Snow No snow very cold in winter in Boston. Id say it was a good 2-3 miles....... Oh noooooooooooooo

            • 2 votes
            Reply#9 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:50 PM EST
            J. W. Welch

            A little over a 9 mile walk to and from school is excessive punishment for whatever the kid did to get kicked off the school bus. And the mom involved is taking her lumps for that decision.

            So, what would be an appropriate punishment for a 10 year old in a similar situation?

            • 1 vote
            Reply#10 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:57 PM EST
            kazutam

            Then he shouldn't of been kicked off the bus.

            He was put of the bus to punish HIM, not to punish his mother. Yet folks seem to think that inconveniencing(punishing) the parent when the child acts up is nothing.

            • 6 votes
            #10.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:05 PM EST
            FreedomIsAChoice

            I'd rather be inconvenienced than take that kind of risk with my kid. But that's just me. As to what I would have done in her shoes...see my 6.3

            • 2 votes
            #10.2 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:30 PM EST
            kazutam

            As to what I would have done in her shoes...see my 6.3

            And when the kid REFUSED to do those things?

            • 2 votes
            #10.3 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:33 PM EST
            countrygirl78

            The sad thing is that children are not loved and when they act up, it is an attempt to get some attention. Negative attention is better than none at all. Rules without relationship lead to rebellion.

            • 1 vote
            #10.4 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:39 PM EST
            FreedomIsAChoice

            And when the kid REFUSED to do those things?

            What if the kid refused to walk to school? We could get lost in that circle all day. If it's a power struggle, which is what you are describing, then as parents we have to stand our ground. With my kids, I took what mattered to them; toys, time, television, games, company. They didn't get it back until they complied. When I wouldn't yell, scream, or budge they learned that no amount of fit throwing was going to work and that they had to accept the consequences of their actions.

            Again, I am not making mom the villain here. I just disagree with her approach. Why the hostility toward a different viewpoint?

            • 1 vote
            #10.5 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:51 PM EST
            J. W. Welch

            Freedom

            Your punishment seems to be timely when one considers what is important to kids these days.

            Non compliance to the punishment would mean a deeper problem possibly requiring outside intervention. Hopefully it wouldn't come to that.

            • 1 vote
            #10.6 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:20 PM EST
            Widewillie

            With my kids, I took what mattered to them; toys, time, television, games, company. They didn't get it back until they complied.

            Dad...is that you? LOL...

            My sister still loves to tell the story about having a friend over to study when she was about 13 or 14. It was a standing rule in our house that our bedroom doors were to remain open when we had visitors.

            At some point during that study session, she closed her door.

            My dad was a yeller (and then some!)...but he simply opened the door and reminded her of the rule. She got all upset and started yelling about trust and privacy, etc.

            Dad was unusually stoic.

            When we came home from school the next day...the door to her room had been removed.

            And it stayed that way for years. She finally apologized...and got her door back as part of her Sweet 16 Birthday present!

            • 3 votes
            #10.7 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:44 PM EST
            bonos_rama

            Only a bad parent needs to resort to such measures. One that doesn't care about their own kids.

              #10.8 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:45 PM EST
              Widewillie

              Only a bad parent needs to resort to such measures. One that doesn't care about their own kids.

              Is this in response to my post b_r?

              • 1 vote
              #10.9 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:48 PM EST
              drummerboy2011

              4.6 miles seems to far and too dangerous for a 10 y/o to walk alone.

              Not in Jonesboro, Arkansas and YES, I've been there about a kazillion times. What DOES bother me about this though is the fact that it was only 30 degrees outside

              • 3 votes
              #10.10 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:48 PM EST
              Lynn3765

              countrygirl...sorry. I have to respond to your post. You need to take off the rose colored glasses. ALL kids act up, it is a requirement of growing up. Even the most loved child is going to have their rebellious phase, unless of course, mommy and daddy give everything to the child the second they ask for it..that isn't love by the way, that is turning the child into a spoiled expectant brat which would eventually make their lives miserable when real life turns up.

              It is a lack of love NOT to appropriately discipline, obviously barring abuse, but the definition of abuse bar has definitely dropped much lower these days.

                #10.11 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:32 AM EST
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                stueystu

                I lived in Charlotte, NC from the age of 8-12 and on Long Island, NY as a child in middle school. No school buses were provided for us until high school when I went to an occupational school for half the day. We had no choice but to walk to school as my mother had to work doing the best to provide for us. My sister and I walked together and we met up with other children and continued on the way to school. We knew to stay away from strangers, didn't take sweets from them or poisoned apples and are still here today and we got our butts beat if we got out of line. Times are definitely different now.

                • 5 votes
                Reply#11 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:25 PM EST
                J. W. Welch

                My buddies and I hitchhiked about 3 1/2 miles each way to our Catholic high school in Milwaukee during the early to mid 60's regardless of weather (blizzard, sub zero temps, rain, fog, you name it). We were in the big city and had no problems with pervs as there were usually three or four of us hitching at a time.

                We could have taken a city bus, but that would have required two or three transfers, not to mention fare of about 30 cents, I think, depending on where we boarded. It was a lot quicker using the thumb. People were pretty good about picking us up as we were obviously high school kids with books and school team jackets.

                The only school buses I recall seeing in those days were taking public school kids to school. I remember wondering why they needed buses when we were on our own in how we got to school and back home each day. The times they have a changed.

                I wouldn't trade that bit of self sufficiency for the easy way though.

                • 3 votes
                #11.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:39 PM EST
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                FreedomIsAChoice

                deleted. wrong spot.

                  Reply#12 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:28 PM EST
                  countrygirl78

                  Good grief! I used to live 1.25 miles from the bus stop and 7 from school. I either walked or ran to the bus stop in the winter and rode my bike in the fall and spring.

                  During floods my mother would pick us all up at the bus stop to drive us through the water.

                  I see her point, but a 4.6 mile hike to school would mean he would have to leave over a hour before school started. Surely there was some other way she could have made her point to him.

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#13 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:33 PM EST
                  J. W. Welch

                  No doubt she'll have an alternative plan after the fuss dies down.

                  Who knows, maybe the present uproar and embarrassment it has caused his mom will have a positive impact on the kid's future behavior.

                  • 1 vote
                  #13.1 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:45 PM EST
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                  rtg-

                  When my son was that age, punishing him by taking away his video games, tv, etc., had no effect on him. He'd whine a little, that was it. A lot of people seem to think just taking away their toys will work, doesn't always. Some kids simply don't care. So if he'd ever been kicked off a bus, sure, make him walk, teach him about consequences.

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#14 - Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:50 PM EST
                  JAVE

                  Five miles in the cold is pretty far. Is 10 years old too young for this? Maybe. If the kid was 8 I'd say lock mom up, if the kid was 13 I'd say good for mom. 10 seems a bit ify.

                  If the kid is not otherwise being mistreated then I think arresting mom is a bit much. I'd tell her to come up with a better punishment. Maybe it would pass muster with the state if she makes him walk the 5 miles on a treadmill? (With a helmet and elbow pads, of course)

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#15 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:23 AM EST
                  kazutam

                  (With a helmet and elbow pads, of course)

                  LOL.

                  You left out the knee pads and ergonomically correct footwear.

                  • 1 vote
                  #15.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:51 AM EST
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                  Life101

                  live out west where the roads do not get plowed. heck I was in the 1st grade walking 1-2 miles home. If your road did not get plowed you walked. Kids got it to easy today.

                    Reply#16 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:11 PM EST
                    Triple Sek

                    Looks like this got blown waaayy out of proportion..but these days people will do, say, or agree with anything that will put a proverbial feather in their cap...

                      Reply#17 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:32 PM EST
                      Jenx

                      You know as I read through some of the questions and comments left by people, it makes me wonder just how old some of you are. Me I'm 23 and I would have to agree with some of you that yes the mother was somewhat in the wrong in making the child walk that far, but on the other hand when i was ten my parents would of beat my butt so bad it would of still been glowing when I got to school. The problem with parents now is that the government won't allow you to punish your child. Or they have you to scared to do so. There are also those parents to lazy to do anything about their child doing something wrong. When are you, that say this is abuse, going to learn that correcting isn't abuse, or are you the one that your parents let you get away with anything, and still say your perfect, therefore think your kids are perfect. THINK before saying something is abuse before you fight about it in a comment section of a story

                        Reply#18 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:43 AM EST
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